Dr. Zakir Naik and the controversy

By Md. Ali, TwoCircles.net

Renowned Islamic scholar and preacher Dr. Zakir Naik angered a section of Sunnis and Shias by his statement to a private TV channel that a Muslim should seek help only from Allah and no one else, not even the Prophet.

Angered by his statement a section of the community reportedly approached the home minister of Maharashtra RR Patil and demanded a ban on the Islamic conference which he is organizing between November 14 and 24 in Mumbai.

The 43 year old medical practitioner told reporters that by saying this he has not done any thing against the principles of Islam. Whatever he has said is essential of "Tauhid" which is the soul of "Imaan". A big section of Muslims across the world believe that Only Allah is the All Mighty and worthy of worship and help should be sought only from him and no one else he added.

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Dr. Naik enjoys a fan following across the world because of his critical analysis of Islam and his knowledge on comparative religion. He is the founder-president of Islamic Research Foundation (IRF) and also runs Peace TV, an Islamic television.

He travels across the world giving speeches and lectures on Islam and comparative religion. A big section of Muslim across the world appreciates his efforts to clear misconceptions about Islam through his lectures and talks.

There was another Fatwa against him by some Shia clergy of UP. Last Friday Lucknow based Mufti Abul Irfan Mian Firangi Mahali issued a fatwa against Dr. Naik describing him as a kafir (agnostic). The fatwa recommends that Dr. Naik be ex-communicated from Islam.

The Mufti pointed out that Dr. Naik supports Osama Bin Laden and calls upon the Muslim youths to become terrorists. He also criticized Dr. Naik for his alleged glorification of Yazeed who killed Imam Hussein the maternal grand son of the Prophet and a person considered holy and respectable by the Shias across the world.

Dr. Naik on the other hand defended himself and clarified that he has never supported either terrorism or Osama. He added that he has always been saying that all those who kill innocents are terrorists. He pointed out that people usually misquote his statements from the speeches he delivered in past.

For instance, he pointed out that the actual statement goes like this that "all those who kill innocents are terrorists. So if the USA kills innocents, it doesn't have the right to call Osama a terrorist unless it owns up its own crime."

On the accusation of instigating Muslims to become terrorists he clarified that he had said Muslims should become terrorists in the sense that they should strike terror in the hearts of criminals and anti-socials but again the statement has been misquoted he added.

Zakir Naik on Taliban and Osama Bin Laden

Last year he was center of an international controversy by saying radi Allaho anho (may Allah be pleased with him) after taking Yazid's name, a traditional prayer reserved for the companions of the Prophet Mohammad.

Last month Dr. Naik was supposed to deliver a series of public lectures in Allahabad and Lucknow. But Shia groups started protesting against Dr. Naik. Soon the administration had to stop the lectures citing law and order problem.

It is not the case that Dr. Naik hasn't got any support on this issue. Many Muslim organizations have come in his support. All-India Sunni Board and Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jilani Foundation came to defend him saying that Dr. Naik is one of the most respected scholars and doing an excellent work through his efforts to clear the misconceptions about Islam.

Dr. Naik who was born in Mumbai on October 18, 1965 is a medical doctor by profession. The website of Islamic Research Foundation describes him as "international orator on Islam and Comparative Religion. Dr. Zakir Naik clarifies Islamic viewpoints and clears misconceptions about Islam, using the Qur'an, authentic Hadith and other religious Scriptures as a basis, in conjunction with reason, logic and scientific facts."

He has also been appreciated by his efforts to engage in inter religious dialogue.

He has given hundreds of public lectures on Islam and comparative religion. He has also authored many books including Replies To The Most Common Questions asked By Non-Muslims, Qur'an and Modern Sciences- Compatible Or incompatible, Concepts of God in Major Religions, Islam and Terrorism, Women's Right in Islam- Protected Or subjugated, among others.




Zakir Naik is slave of SAUDI ARABIA

Zakir Naik is slave of SAUDI ARABIA and is being funded by SAUDIS to spread WAHABI "violent" ISLAM.

QUR'AN SURAH 4/92 states explicitly that "NEVER SHOULD A BELIEVER KILL A BELIEVER and Surah 4/93 prescribes "HELL FOR KILLING A BELIEVER. WAHABI ISLAM was propounded to escape from the "HELL FIRE" for killing MUSLIMS. Wahhabis does NOT consider most MUSLIMS to be TRUE MUSLIM. Accusing someone of not being a "TRUE MUSLIMS" was the easiest way to kill them ("in war or in an act of terrorism".) NOT only does the killing becomes legitimate but also opens the path to heaven for killing non-believers. WAHABI ISLAM facilitated the present SAUDI ruling family to KILL all other MUSLIMS in ARABIA and GRAB power, with out violating QUR'AN!!!!!!!!!-

Go and read your own things AK Singh

@ AK Singh,

You need not use the Qur'an selectively to demolish Islam or create versions of it. Islam has only one version and that is Islam. What do you think you are fooling people. If you are not fearing the day of judgement etc what makes you shudder not following the way to salvation. One might find solace in finding faults and assigning false relations of that to Islam, but truth prevails. On one hand you say the Saudis are killing people while in the same breath you call them names for not reining in the Al Qaidah. You are the best companions of the Jews who remain astray despite the warnings of Moses, Jesus and Muhammad (PBUT). Your sick mentality is eating into yourself and only Allah can help you. May Allah bring peace to your mind. Remember, he gives hidayah to those who try seeking peace with His creatures while in your case, you have a single point agenda of abusing people come what way. If you despise the 'wahhabism', do not prefix or suffix this word with Islam. The slip of Islamophobia is showing. By mere highlighting a cult which is anathema of another cult is not going to bring you any peace of mind.

Few Sihah ahadith

The Islamic religion will continue, until the hour has been established, or you have been ruled over by 12 Caliphs, all of them being from Quraish" Sahih Muslim, hadith number 4483, English translation by Abdul Hamid Siddiqui

There will be twelve commanders (Amir)" ... "All of them will be from Quraish.
Sahih al-Bukhari 9:329 (Arabic-English version)

The matter (life) will not end, until it is passed by twelve Caliphs" ... "All of them will be from Quraish.
Sahih Muslim, Arabic version, Kitab al-Imaarah, 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, v3, p1452, Tradition #5 Sahih Muslim, English version, Chapter DCCLIV (titled: The People are subservient to the Quraish and the Caliphate is the Right of the Quraish), v3, p1009, Tradition #4477.

Bible:> And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year." Genesis 17:17-21

Hadith of the Twelve Successors

This is what we read in Sahih al-Bukhari as narrated by Ibn 'Abbas
When the time of the death of the Prophet approached while there were some men in the house, and among them was 'Umar Ibn al-Khattab, the Prophet said: "Come near let me write for you a writing after which you will never go astray." 'Umar said: "The Prophet is seriously ill, and you have the Qur'an, so Allah's Book is sufficient for us."

The people in the house differed and disputed. Some of them said, "Come near so that Allah's Apostle may write for you a writing after which you will not go astray," while the others said what 'Umar said. When they made much noise and quarreled greatly in front of the Prophet, he said to them, "Go away and leave me."

Ibn 'Abbas used to say, "It was a great disaster that their quarrel and noise prevented Allah's Apostle from writing a statement for them. Sahih al Bukhari Arabic-English Volume 9 hadith number 468 and Volume 7 hadith 573

I am leaving amongst you two things, the Qur'an and my Ahlulbayt, if you follow them you will never go astray". 1. Sahih Muslim, part 7, Kitab fada'il al?Sahabah [Maktabat wa Matba`at Muhammad `Ali Subayh wa Awladuhu: Cairo] pp. 122-123

Hadith of the two weighty things

In place of pond of Khumm, the following verse of the Qur'an was revealed:

"O Apostle! Deliver what has been sent down to you from your Lord; and if you don't do it, you have not delivered His message (at all); and Allah will protect you from the people ..." (Qur'an 5:67)

Then the Messenger of Allah continued

"Do I have more authority over you than you have over yourselves? To which the people said 'Yes'. He then said Of whomsoever I am Mawla Ali is his Mawla" Musnad, by Ahmad bin Hanbal Vol 3 p116 Sader Printing 1969

Immediately after the Prophet [s] finished his speech, the following verse of the Qur'an was revealed:

"Today I have perfected your religion and completed my favour upon you, and I was satisfied that Islam be your religion." (Qur'an 5:3)

For details

Ahl al-Kisa

Sahih Muslim Book 031, Number 5955:
'A'isha reported that Muhammad went out one morning wearing a striped cloak of the black camel's hair that there came Hasan b. 'Ali. He wrapped him under it, then came Husain and he wrapped him under it along with the other one (Hasan). Then came Fatima and he took her under it, then came 'Ali and he also took him under it and then said: Allah only desires to take away any uncleanliness from you, O people of the household, and purify you (thorough purifying)
The verse of purification

The verse of purification is part of the 33th verse of Surah al-Ahzab of Qur'an, which says Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness from you, O people of the House! and to purify you a (thorough) purifying.Qur'an 33:33

Hadith of Mubahala

Succession to Muhammad

Dont try to sell copper as Gold.

No rocket science technology required to understand your Hadith Fabrications!!!Shame on those who write themselves and say ths is from Allah(swt)and Prophet(saas).Allah(swt)has promised severe punishment for such wrongdoers.

Assalaamualaykum brother

Assalaamualaykum brother Salafi,

I am astounded by the fact that as you stated that there are ahadith to follow after the Quran, so I believe in that. Then you should have carried my case before me after knowing the Ahaadith of the Prophet (PBUHAHP) about the Imamat of the 12 pious people who would be from the Ahlul bayt and all the related ahaadith which are not only narrated by the Shias but also the Sunni scholars. Then I wouldnot need to argue with you (no waste of time at all). What prohibited you from acknowledging those accurate ahaadith brother?

I donot think it appropriate to curse the Sahabas r.a: the first three caliphs for Allah Knows the best and indeed He is the best of the judges. But you cannot ignore the fact that many incidents have been kept hidden from us through history. If I were present during tat time I would certainly and whole heartedly do my bayet with Imam Ali alaihiissalaam as I find him the most intelligent, wise, God-fearing, kind hearted, knowledgeable, most brave soldier. And as the Prophet (PBUHAHP) declared his and his children's Imamat, HOW I DARE TO GO AGAINST THAT. My only unfortune was that I came to know about all these facts very late. Any way that wasnot intentional on my part so deir aayad drust aayed. And I request all my muslim brothers and sister of different sects to consider this very important issue of our Islamic history which caused this split.

As far as noha is concerned there is nothing haraam in remembering the heart-breaking incidents that took place at the masoomeen e karbala and their loyal companions. Infact the very message of karbala would have been forgotton due to the grace of yazeed, Ummayyads, Abbasyds and so on the Saudi rulers till date if these narrations were not told by our Shia brothers. Self-beating are even considered haraam by Shia scholars as well and it is not part of Islam. Here too we have to keep one thing into consideration that from the time of Imam Ali alahissalaam, his companions and followers were brutely tortured, humiliated and martyred by the rulers mentioned above. They have been suppresed and though inferior till date as we see in this blog too. Hadhrat Ali said in Nahjul balaagha "Two kinds of people will be damned on my account Those who form exaggerated opinion about me and those who under-estimate me because they hate me.". I fyou think that you love hadhrat Ali who was the childhood and oldest shaba too of the Prophet (PBUHAHP)then you should uphold his case as well as being him first rightful calip of the ummah.

To erase your misconception of the belief that the word "shia" is associated something with evil, shia doctrines, shia brainwhashing etc. It's time for many muslims like you to get mature and understand the simple meaning of the word "shia". The word "shia" means only "followers" and this word has been used in the holy Quran too. And those who believe that Imamat was the first right (haq)of Hadhrat Ali alaihissalaam as instructed by our holy Prophet (Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him and his progeny)at numerous places,they are called Shias. Here, I too, am then proudly Shia alhumdulillah and may Allah make me among the people who love the Ahlul bayte Rasooulullah (sallallahu alaihi wa aalehi wassalam).

So remove the grudges and discriminations against our shia brothers and sisters, focus on the good common grounds of our faith and take someting that we have been kept ignorant from for centuries and they already have it. Do check the websites for they show only good things. There is nothing haraam in them.

Brother Faansaal,If you

Brother Faansaal,
That is self contradictory.You say history is hidden(we sunnis say history is twisted and unauthetic corrupted by Jews who became hypocritically muslims to dynamite islams rapid growth from within as these cowards had no courage to fight the likes of all Sahabas(ra)including Ali(ra)s heroics in the battle of Khaibar.)and selectively praise Hazrat Ali(ra)while cursing other great Sahabas(ra).You and ME are nothing and rubbish as far as greatness of all our Sahabas(ra)is cocerned.You have no right to curse any of sahabas(ra)or even Yazid(rahmatullahalaih)based on your or jews twisted history or hidden history as acknowledged by you.Why still maintain your false belief about all Caliphs(ra) as Allah is judge When in so many Ahadith Prophet(saas)has considered them as Jannati?Stop this hypocrisy and dont fabricate Ahadith and selectively apply them to suit your beliefs.
No sunni denies bravery of Ali(ra)but that does not negate the bravery and other superior characterstics of other sahabas(ra)as Shias do.Certainly present day Shias are victims of jews conspiracy who infilterated muslims to arrest the growth of Islam from within.During the period of Prophet(saas)too they tried best by inciting muslims of AWS and KHIDRAJ in MADINAH but were unsuccessful.But after the period of Prophet(saas)they divided muslims most of them were new muslims and were unaware of jewish conspiracy fell victims.
Regarding mention of the word Shia in Quran to support Shaism is laughable.Exposes your ignorance about Quran.
Lot of Shias scholars have become Salafis by the grace of Allah(swt).Shias are making mockery of islam by there chest beating and inhuman Noha activities nothing but Drama of mourning as done before the Prophet(saas)pariod.Prophet(saas)strictly forbade that.

Brother Salafi, Surprisingly

Brother Salafi, Surprisingly you didnot answer my first question in my previous post which had nothing to do with twisting history. Moreover, I donot understand the difference between hiding the history and twisting the history. I think both have same implication that is, not telling the truth. I donot know about jewish conspiracy. I think it has more to do with us not with Jews but I am profoundly disappointed by your statement that it's ok to say radhiallahu ta'ala unho with Yazeed's name. It is straightly a very sad approach and we certainly donot need any outside enemies. Imam Ali alaihissalaam said once,"If I cut a faithful Muslim into pieces to make him hate me, he will not turn into my enemy and if I give all the wealth of this world to a hypocrite to make him my friend he will not befriend me. It is so because the Holy Prophet (PBUHAHP) has said: " O Ali! No faithful Muslim will ever be your enemy and no hypocrite will ever be your friend. "
Such sad beliefs are really very disturbing that people though claim to respect Imam Ali a.s and yet praise Muawiyah, talk about Karbala and yet praise and pray for Yazeed. There is a very good post right below your by brother Syed Hassan Abbas, do read that for information.
Again I reiterate, chest-beating is forbidden by the Shia scholars as well, so donot impose false things on them. People do that but it is not right. As far as rememberance is concerned , it's not haraam and it should be encouraged to hold majaalis to remember the incidents of karbala so that the message of this sacrifice passes from generations to generations.
In order to expose my ignorance about the Quranic knowledge, I admit I am no scholar but instead, try to read my comment and do some your own research. I said the word Shia has nothing evil in it. It just means "followers" which is used in Al-Quran in different Ayaahs as well. Instead of copying the link I would like to paste the whole web page about the word Shia so that one may read it an I strongly urge you to read the sunni references below:

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The Term "Shia" in Quran and Hadith

The word "Shia" means "followers; members of party". As such, the term "Shia" alone has no negative or positive meaning unless we specify the leader of the party. If one is a Shia (follower) of the most righteous servants, then there is nothing wrong with being Shia, specially if the leader of such party has been assigned by Allah. On the other hand, if one becomes the Shia a tyrant or a wrong-doer, he shall meet with the fate of his leader. In fact, Quran indicates that on the day of Judgment people will come in groups, and each group has its leader in front of it. Allah, to whom belong Might and Majesty, said:
One day We shall call every group of people by their respective Imams. (Quran 17:71)
In the day of judgment, the destiny of the "followers" of each group highly depends on the destiny of his Imam (provided that they really followed that Imam). Allah mentioned in Quran that there are two types of Imams. Some Imams are those who invite people to Hell fire. They are tyrannical leaders of each era (like Pharaoh, etc.):
And We made them (but) Imams inviting to the Fire; and on the Day of Judgment no help shall they find. In this world We continued to curse them; and on the Day of Judgment they will be among the hateful. (Quran 28:41-42).
Certainly, being the members of the parties of such Satanic Imams has been severely denounced in Quran, and the followers of such parties will meet the fate of their leaders. However, Quran also reminds that there are Imams who are appointed by Allah as Guides for the mankind:
"And We ASSIGNED from among them some Imams who GUIDE by Our authority since they were patient and believed firmly in Our Signs." (Quran 32:24)
Certainly, the true followers (Shia) of these Imams will be the real prosperous on the day of resurrection. Thus being a Shia does not mean anything, unless we know the Shia of whom. Allah mentioned in Quran that Some of His righteous servants were Shia of His other righteous servants. An example was Prophet Abraham who was mentioned in Quran specifically as the Shia of Noah:
"And most surely Abraham was among the Shia of him (i.e., Noah)" (Quran 37:83)
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"And he (Moses) went into the city at a time when people (of the city) were not watching, so he found therein two men fighting, one being of his Shia and the other being his enemy, and the one who was of his Shia cried out to him for help against the one who was of his enemy" (Quran 28:15)
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In the above verse of Quran, one is named the Shia of Moses (AS) and the other one is named the enemy of Moses, and the people at that time were either the Shia or the enemy of Moses (AS). Thus Shia is an official word used by Allah in His Quran for His high rank prophets as well as their followers. Do you want to say Prophet Abraham was sectarian? How about Prophet Noah and Prophet Moses?
If somebody calls himself a Shia, it is not due to any sectarianism, nor any innovation. It is because Quran has used the phrase for some of His best servants. The above verses that I mentioned in support of Shia, has used this term singular form (i.e., one group of followers). This means that it has special meaning, such as: THE Shia of Noah (AS), THE Shia of Moses (AS). Also in the History of Islam, Shia has been specially used for the "followers of Ali". The first individual who used this term was the Messenger of Allah himself:
The Messenger of Allah said to Ali: "Glad tiding O Ali! Verily you and your companions and your Shia (followers) will be in Paradise."
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Sunni references:
Fadha'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v2, p655
Hilyatul Awliyaa, by Abu Nu'aym, v4, p329
Tarikh, by al-Khateeb al-Baghdadi, v12, p289
al-Awsat, by al-Tabarani
Majma' al-Zawa'id, by al-Haythami, v10, pp 21-22
al-Darqunti, who said this tradition has been transmitted via numerous authorities.
al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar Haythami , Ch. 11, section 1, p247
Thus the Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) used to say the phrase of "Shia of Ali". This phrase is not something invented later! Prophet Muhammad (PBUH&HF) said that the TRUE followers of imam Ali will go to Paradise, and this is a great felicity. Also Jabir Ibn Abdillah al-Ansari narrated that:
The Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) said: "The Shia of Ali are the real victorious in the day of resurrection/rising"
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Sunni references:
al-Manaqib Ahmad, as mentioned in:
Yanabi al-Mawaddah, by al-Qundoozi al-Hanafi, p62
Tafsir al-Durr al-Manthoor, by al-Hafidh Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, who quotes the tradition as follows: "We were with the Holy Prophet when Ali came towards us. The Holy Prophet said: He and his Shia will aquire salvation on the day of judgment."
The "day of rising" may also refer to the day of rising of al-Mahdi (AS). But in more general term, it means the day of judgment. Also it is narrated that:
The Messenger of Allah said: "O Ali! On the Day of Judgment I shall resort to Allah and you will resort to me and your children will resort to you and the Shia will resort to them. Then you will see where they carry us. (i.e. to Paradise)"
Sunni reference: Rabi al-Abrar, by al-Zamakhshari
Furthermore, it is narrated that:
The Messenger of Allah said: "O Ali! (On the day of Judgment) you and your Shia will come toward Allah well-pleased and well-pleasing, and there will come to Him your enemies angry and stiff-necked (i.e., their head forced up).
Sunni references:
al-Tabarani, on the authority of Imam Ali
al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Ch. 11, section 1, p236
A more complete version of the tradition which has also been reported by the Sunnis, is as follows:
Ibn Abbas (RA) narrated: When the verse "Those who believe and do righteous deeds are the best of the creation (Quran 98:7)" was revealed, the Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) said to Ali: "They are you and your Shia." He continued: "O Ali! (On the day of Judgment) you and your Shia will come toward Allah well-pleased and well-pleasing, and your enemies will come angry with their head forced up. Ali said: "Who are my enemies?" The Prophet (PBUH&HF) replied: "He who disassociates himself from you and curses you. And glad tiding to those who reach first under the shadow of al-'Arsh on the day of resurrection." Ali asked: "Who are they, O the Messenger of Allah?" He replied: "Your Shia, O Ali, and those who love you."
Sunni references:
al-Hafidh Jamaluddin al-Dharandi, on the authority of Ibn Abbas
al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar, Ch. 11, section 1, pp 246-247
Then Ibn Hajar provides a bizarre commentary for the first tradition, saying:
The Shia of Ali are the Ahlussunnah since they are those who love Ahlul-Bayt as Allah and His Prophet ordered. But others (i.e., other than Sunnis) are the enemies of Ahlul-Bayt in reality for the love outside the boundary of law is the great enmity, and that was the reason for their fate. Also, the enemies of Ahlul-Bayt were al-Khawarij and their alike from Syria, not Muawiyah and other companions because they were Muteawweloon, and for them is a good reward, and for Ali and his Shia is a good reward!
Sunni reference:
al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar, Ch. 11, section 1, p236
And this is how Sunni scholars cope with the prophetic traditions in favor of "Shia of Ali"! They say that they are the real Shia!
Let us look at one more tradition in this regard:
The Messenger of Allah said to Ali: "The first four individuals who will enter the Paradise are me, you, al-Hasan, and al-Husain, and our progeny will be behind us, and our wives will be behind our progeny, and our Shia will be on our right side and in our company."
Sunni references:
al-Manaqib, by Ahmad
al-Tabarani, as quoted in:
al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar Haythami , Ch. 11, section 1, p246
From the above pieces of evidence, the word "Shia" is used by Allah in Quran for His prophets as well as their followers. Further, His blessed Prophet, Muhammad (PBUH&HF) has repeatedly used this word for the followers of Imam Ali (AS). The word Shia is used here in its special meaning, and moreover, it is not in plural form (Parties), rather the above verses and traditions are referring to a special party, i.e., one single party. If Shia meant sectarian, neither Allah would use it for His high rank prophets nor Prophet Muhammad (PBUH&HF) would have praised them.
However there are some verses in Quran which uses the plural form of Shia that is "Shi-ya'a" which means "Parties/groups". This is a general meaning of this term, and not the special meaning in singular form which has been given in previous examples. Of course, only one single party is accepted by Allah and the rest are severely denounced because they have separated from that unique party. So it is clear why Allah denounced "Groups/Parties/sects" (plural form) who separated from that unique group in some verses of Quran. There can't be two righteous groups (with conflicting ideas) at the same time, because between the two leaders one is surely better and more qualified, and thus the claims and the motives of the other leader goes under question.
However I did not locate the exact term of "Ahlussunnah wal-Jama'ah", nor did I find "al-Wahhabiyyah", "al-Salafiyyah" anywhere in the Holy Quran or the traditions of the Prophet. I agree that we should follow the Sunnah of Prophet, but I would like to discover the origin of the exact term here. We Shia are proud to follow the Sunnah of Prophet. However, the question is that which Sunnah is genuine and which one is not. The word "Sunnah" by itself does not serve the purpose of knowledge. All Muslims irrespective to their persuasions claim that they follow the Sunnah of Prophet (PBUH&HF). Please refer to the article titled "Quran and Ahlul-Bayt" for a detailed discussion in this regard.
It should be emphasized that the Messenger of Allah never wished to divide Muslims into groups. Prophet ORDERED all people to follow Imam Ali (AS) as his agent during his life time, and as his Caliph after him. Prophet wished everybody does that. But unfortunately those who heeded him were few and were known as "Shia of Ali" who were subject to all sort of discrimination and prosecution, and suffered from day one of the demise of the Mercy to Mankind, Muhammad (PBUH&HF). If every one (or say the majority Muslims) had obeyed what prophet wished, then there wouldn't exist any group or school within Islam. Allah said in Quran:
"Hold fast to the Rope of Allah, all of you together and do not separate" (Quran 3:103)"
The Rope of Allah which we should not separate from, are the Ahlul-Bayt. In fact, some Sunni scholars narrated from Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq (AS) saying:
"We are the Rope of Allah about whom Allah has said: 'Hold fast to the Rope of Allah, all of you together and do not diverge (3:103)'"
Sunni references:
al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar Haythami , Ch. 11, section 1, p233
Tafsir al-Kabir, by al-Tha'labi, under commentary of verse 3:103
Thus, if Allah denounces the sectarianism, He denounces those who separated from His Rope, and not those who hold fast to it! Also some said the Rope of Allah is Quran. This is also true. But by looking at the following tradition narrated by Umm Salama who said:
The Messenger of Allah said: "Ali is with Quran, and Quran is with Ali. They shall not separate from each other till they both return to me by the Pool (of Paradise)."
Sunni references:
al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, v3, p124 on the authority of Umm Salama
al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar, Ch. 9, section 2, pp 191,194
al-Awsat, by al-Tabarani; also in al-Saghir
Tarikh al-Khulafa, by Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, p173
Then we can conclude that Imam Ali is * the Quran verbatim *. That is, Imam Ali is the Strong Rope of Allah also, because they (Quran and Ali) are non-separable. In fact, there are a huge number of traditions in authentic Sunni sources where Prophet said Quran and Ahlul-Bayt are inseparable and if Muslims want to remain in the right path, they should stick to BOTH of them. (Please refer to the article titled: Quran and Ahlul-Bayt). Therefore, one can conclude that those who separated from Ahlul-Bayt are the sectarian who divided into sects and were denounced by Allah and His prophet due to their divergence.
In fact, the opinion of majority is not a good criteria to distinguish the false from the truth. If you look at the Quran, you will see that Quran severely denounces the majority of by frequently saying that "the majority do not understand", "the majority do not use their logic", "the majority follow their whims"...
In another verse, Allah said:
"You are the best nation (Ummah) that has been raised up for the (benefit of) people. You enjoin the good and forbid the evil..." (Quran 3:110).
The best nation is also the Ahlul-Bayt. Let us remember that according to Quran, "nation" does not mean the whole people. This is even clear from the above verse that such Ummah (nation) are raised FOR benefiting the people. Thus Ummah can be only a subset of people and not the whole people. In fact one person can be a nation. Sometimes the act of a single person is worthier than the deeds of the whole nation. This was the case for Prophet Muhammad, Imam Ali, as well as the case for Prophet Abraham, peace be upon them all. Quran states that Abraham (AS) was a nation (Ummah), meaning that his deeds was more valuable than all other people. Allah stated:
"Lo! Abraham was a nation (Ummah) who was obedient to Allah, by nature upright, and he was not of the idolaters" (Quran 16:120)
Thus, one single individual can be a nation in the language of Quran. As for the Verse 3:100, it is interesting to note that some Sunni scholars have narrated from Abu Ja'far (Imam Baqir (AS)) that:
Abu Ja'far (AS) said about the verse 'You are the best nation raised up for the (benefit of) people...(3:110)': "The Members of the House of the Prophet."
Sunni references:
Ibn Abi Hatam, as mentioned in:
al-Durr al-Manthoor, by Jalaluddin al-Suyuti under commentary of verse 3:110 of holy Quran.
Also Allah mentioned in Quran:
"O' you who believe! Fear Allah and be with the truthful"
(Quran 9:119)
According to some Sunni Commentaries, "the truthful" means Imam Ali (AS):
Sunni reference:
Tafsir al-Durr al-Manthoor, by al-Hafidh Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, two reports: one from Ibn Mardawayh by Ibn Abbas and the second from Ibn Asakir by Abi Ja'far (AS).
This means that people should have feared Allah and should not have separated from Imam Ali (AS) after the demise of Prophet (PBUH&HF). This unfortunately did not happen at large, and therefore, unfortunate divisions followed it.
With respect to the world al-Siddeeq -- "The Truthful", there are many Sunni narrations in which the Messenger of Allah said:
The Truthful are three: Hazqeel (who was) the believer of the family of Pharaoh (see Quran 40:28), and Habeeb al-Najjar (who was) the believer of the family of Yaasin (see Quran 36:20), and Ali Ibn Abi Talib who is the most virtuous one among them (see Quran 9:119)."
Sunni references:
Abu Nu'aym and Ibn Asakir, on the authority of Abu Layla
Ibn al-Najjar, on the authority of Ibn Abbas
al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar, Ch. 9, section 2, pp 192-193
In conclusion, we have shown in this article that the term Shia has been used in Quran for the followers of the great servants of Allah, and in the traditions of the Prophet for the followers of Imam Ali (AS). One who follows such divinely appointed Guide is safe from the disputes in the religion and has grasped the Strong Rope of Allah, and has been given the glad tiding of Paradise.
Side comments....
A Sunni brother wrote: Sunni means the one who follows the traditions (Sunnah) of the Prophet, and this is supported by the following verse of Quran:
Certainly you have in the Apostle of Allah an excellent exemplar (beautiful pattern of conduct) for him who hopes in Allah and the latter day and remembers Allah much. (Quran 33:21)
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My comment was as follows:
1)In the above verse neither the word "Sunnah" nor any of its derivative has been used. As I mentioned earlier, Allah has used the terminology of "Muslim" in its exact form, letter by letter, in the verse 22:78. Also Allah used the word "Shia" again in exact form in verse 37:83 for the Prophet Abraham. However, Allah never used the words such as "Sunni" or as "Ahlussunnah" for the followers of the Prophet (PBUH&HF).
2)If you say we do not find such exact terminology, but we understand that the Prophet is our pattern, then one may say that Quran testifies that Prophet Abraham (AS) was a pattern for us as well:
"Indeed, there is for you an excellent exemplar (beautiful pattern of conduct) in Abraham..." (Quran 60:4)
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Notice that in the above verse, the phrase which has been used for Prophet Abraham (AS) is exactly the same as that of the previous quoted verse used for Prophet Muhammad (PBUH&HF). That is true for the following verse as well:
Certainly there is for you in them (Abraham and his followers) an excellent exemplar (beautiful pattern of conduct) for him who fears Allah and the last day; and whoever turns back, then surely Allah is the Self-sufficient, the Praised. (Quran 60:6)
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Now please tell us if we can be called a Sunni because we follow Abraham's traditions? Certainly Prophet Muhammad followed the tradition of Prophet Abraham, yet Muhammad (PBUH&HF) was never called Sunni, as that result. Similarly, Prophet Abraham followed the traditions of Prophet Noah, but he was never called a Sunni. Quran mentioned that he was a Shia of Noah.
3)The word "Sunnah" has used in Quran to refer to the custom of God and the way Allah conducts the affairs and the rules governing the universe (Sunnatullah). But here we are discussing the word Sunnah referred to the Prophet (PBUH&HF), and not the rules governing the universe. As such we are looking for the term such as "Sunnatu Rasoolillah".
4)A word XXXX can be used in two ways:
Sunni by definition or Sunni by label:
All Muslims are Sunni by definition, but only a group of people, which are famous to this name, are Sunni by label. How they got such label needs to be investigated though.
Also, all Muslims are "obedient" by definition, but there is no special group among Muslims who are called "obedient". This shows that having a certain characteristic by definition does not force us to specify such characteristic in our label. In fact, in most cases (not all cases) the label is just a stereotype and does not reflect the real attributes of the holder of such label. Sometime the label is used to allure people to specific version of something which is found in various versions, each of which is claimed to be genuine one, by different groups. As such, it wouldn't be an intelligent practice, in general, to identify the genuineness of something with its label.
Surely, the followers of the Prophet are supposed to follow his Sunnah by definition. But were they called Sunni when Prophet Muhammad was alive? or even few years after his demise? In other words, the question to be answered is: When did the title "Ahlussunnah wal Jama'ah" come into existence in the history of Islam for a specific group of Muslims?

Brother Faansaal, Thanks for

Brother Faansaal,
Thanks for accepting that Noha(Drama of crying on ones dead)and Chest Beating are strictly prohibited(haraam)in Islam.Also you said it is prohibited to curse any of the Sahabas(ra).
Believe me if you say this to any of the Shia Scholars they will declare you as Kafir.
A kafir means one who conceals (the truth).
Regarding your unauthentic and twisted history I already explained that you are victims of Jews Conspiracy(which your mind is reluctant to accept).Most of the ahadith you mentioned are either fabricated or used out of context(to suit your wrong beliefs).This forum is not a research form but a Inform,Educate &Empower Forum.For researching my claims you have to read and understand Quran and Ahadith from authentic(shias books are unauthentic)sources.
I agree that during the prophet(saas)lifetime there was no such thing as Sunni and Shias.I never claimed that.As far as literal meaning of the word shia is considered it has nothing to do with the religion of shias.You didnot quote that verse in the Quran in which the word Shia is mentioned.Quote it &translate it without twisting its self explanatory.
Prophet(saas)completed Islam in totality in his life.He(saas) didnot say that it is incomplete and someone will come and complete it.
Sunnis do not waste their time and effort on reading the twisted and unauthentic history after the death of Prophet(saas).We love to follow all the verses of Quran AND ALL THE AUTHENTIC INSTRUCTIONS OF PROPHET(SAAS).Unlike shias who waste their faith in believing Jews conspiracy against Islam as they did to Aws and Khidraj tribes of Madinah.

Brother Salafi, You always

Brother Salafi, You always surprise me by insisting on small things rather than discussing the major issues and unfortunately this is the trend folllowed by all sunnis,salafis,barelwis etc... I asked you that there are authentic ahadith mentioned by sunni and non-shia scholars about the right of the caliphate by Imam Ali a.s. But I can see that something that doesnot support your wrong man-made nafs-representing beliefs, they would be called un-authentic and twisting the history by Jews. What a logic.
I never curse any reputable Sahaba with thier great contributions for Islam during the life of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)but I can raise questions regarding their past history after the death of the Prophet (PBUHNHP)and that is my right. And I donot put people like Muawiya and Yazeed into that category at all. Allah will insha Allah Show them the fruit of their deeds on the Day of Judgement and I believe that man gets to know about his position right when he dies. May Allah punish Yazeed for the savagery that he dsiplayed by his orders and Ask Muawiya for his intrigues with Imam Ali a.s. Aamin.
Regarding the word Shia, for that I copied a full web page which you didnot bother to read and and yet ask me where is mere the word shia mentioned in the Quran. Read the page fully. There are verse numbers given which you can check witht the Arabic text of Quran as I did.
I reiterate remembering the incidents of Karbala should always be held. Islam says self beating severely is not allowed. But here that is not the main issue. The main issue is that of the acceptance of sunni authentic ahadith about the imamat of Imam Ali and his sons and grandsons of Imam Hussain alaihimussalaam. And you call them fabricated ahadith. They are not shias ahadith only. Seek Allah's refuge brother.
Refrain from spreading this illusion of some jews' conspiracy and mend your own ways. Donot throw blame on other people's heads.
I wonder when you say its an informative and educative forum and not research based. Could you explain where is the difference?

Abdullah ibn e saba was the founder of Shia Religion.

Brother faansaal,
I can understand your surprises as my comments are being moderated at times when it matters most.Perhaps its the compulsion of being balanced in all sects rather than supporting the truth that prevents TCN too to allow comments which they think as inappropriate for their readers.
The word shia as mentioned in Quran does not apply to Religion of Shias.Which you can understand easily.The "hadith" which you quoted is fabricated about Shia of Ali(ra).
The so called sunni references too are unauthentic.For sunnis Quran and Hadith as in Bukhari,muslim,tirmizi.ibn maja.Abu Dawood,nasai,sahih ibn e khuzaima ,sahih ibne habban,Mauta imam malik etc are the reference books.
For shias usulalkafi and so many other books which we consider as unauthentic are the reference.Therefore unless you shun all unauthentic ahadith books shias cannot become true muslim.
Now TCN has no authentic sunni scholars or shia scholars,who can decide and judge whatever you and me are quoting are indeed the authentic references or not, and who is twisting, how one is quoting out of context,claiming books as sunnis ref etc etc.Therefore I advise you to study Islam through Quran and Hadith from authentic sources.Scholars have a detailed science of identifying Authentic hadith.This science you can study at a research forum.
What you have done is provided a copy pasted page of a shia website without checking all the contents are true or not.

I would honestly love for you

I would honestly love for you to answer his questions: Are you a Muslim? If yes, do you believe in the fact that the Holy Quran is the word of God?

If yes then the primary source to turn to is this Book, unless in some way you're suggesting that the Ahadith are more reliable or have greater authority than the Quran.
It is very clearly mentioned in the Quran that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is the Last Messenger, and also, that the religion is complete, and so is the Quran. If you think that Islam is yet to be completed then you're implying that Allah has done a mistake, which undoubtedly is not possible.

Kindly read the translation of the Holy Quran instead of blindly following scholars, the Quran by itself is easy to understand.

Peace be to you.

Thanks for the

Thanks for the wishes.
brother there is no contradiction between Quran
and Saheeh Ahadith.
quran is a Wahi Matloo.
saheeh Ahadith are Wahi ghair matloo.
both are from Allah(swt).Prophet(saas)never spoke
anything about islam without inspiration from Allah.

Brother fansaal

Forget about different sectors in ISLAM

Are you a muslim ?

If yes you should believe in Quran

It is written in Quran that Muhammed S.A.W. is the last prophet & there will be no prophet after him

So how can u write Ali a.s.

a.s. comes only after prophets names

Assalaamu alaykum to all

Assalaamu alaykum to all brothers and sisters,

I sincerely recommend all people of all faiths, real christians,jews, muslims and others faith followers to watch thoughtfully a documentary which is called "The Arrivals". It can be watched at http://wakeupproject.com/VList.asp?Series=1
or alternatively one could buy it (its safe.)

at http://www.thearrivalsdvd.com/

And I assure you there is nothing dodgey in it. This video is eye-opening for all and it unites all faiths on compassion grounds which is much needed today on a wider scale. Much hatred has been spread by the world about Islam which is a religion of purity, tolerance, compassion and love. A religion which never imposes itself on others yet opens its wide gates for all the people of understanding to explore it and welcomes everyone.

Few scenes would be found unislamic like pop culture, hollywood but their sole aim is to show those people who watch them without realising the harmful consequences and the real evil ambitions behind promoting those satanic stuff in media entertainment.

Please do tell me your thoughts about it later and tell others as well.


To further add in in the

To further add in in the above:
As I mentioned above that there are some scenes which are surely unislamic like west pop culture, animations, hollywood but their sole aim is to show to those people who watch them without realising the harmful effects and the real evil ambitions behind promoting those satanic stuff in the media and entertainment sector.
On the other hand, to our Muslim brothers and sisters if they avoid watching it due to the reasons mentioned above, there is an audio documentary too on youtube showing the same message.
My request is that the people of the world should know the real enemies who are defaming Islam and for what reasons.


Way of Namaz

I think Mr. naik should learn Quran and Hadith again from someone who is sanad yafta and taalim yafta. Dr. Zaik is sanad yafta, but not taalim yafta, hence, he will avoid passing wrong messages to people. According to his followers - It is alright to pray namaz always without covering the head, and keeping a wide distance between the feet and standing with pride, if you have seen these hadiths, please show it to us, as these hadiths dont appear in seehasitta.. Kya Namaaz mein khade hone ka yeh adab hai? Bilkul nahi... This should be stopped, lacs of people are following this, dont know what will happen to the world if this continues..

ALLAH se daro, Uske huzur adab se khade rehna sikho and sahi tarikey se namaz adaa karo..

Idiot saheb

he can back each thing you ask him to answer with doctrinal facts- islam as a faith that is understood logically and dimensionally,it can be understood in terms of an atomic structure. Think about it, our book is the only book not written or devised by any historical passer, but the prophet who repeated God verbatim, it was only then rehearsed and recorded as ordained. The first verse in the opening chapter of the Quran challenges disbelieving men by riveting them to believe- "this is the book whereof there are no doubts". The Quranic verses are all tied up together with each verse withstanding multiple principles. Its translation is always somewhat flawed, but if you understand Old Arabic just for Quranic means, you will be a scholar and a doctor too. islam is the only religion that actually only declares that you have one wife, if you cannot make justice between four. Biologically, women are selective about the one man they choose to reproduce with, whilst men are homosepians designed to reproduce with several spouses, but only Quran limits you to four, permitting you to the one if she doesn't allow you to polygamise. No other scriptures says anything about marriage more than once. Idiot. Despite, look at how many people you have sex with before you settle with the one. He isn't spreading war, if you can hide your gold when people are staying over at your house, then why won't you hide your daughter?


how much Dr.naik kwn Quran n sahih hadees no 1 kwn that much,wat ever he says he'l coat it 4rm dat.if u dnt kwn Quran n hhadees u shud shut ur mouth....

for performing salaah u

for performing salaah u should first learn quran and shaheeh ahadith then comment on each other.as i know thershould be as distance between your feets that u can stand in easy way


Brother open your eyes before you close them , you dont need to know anything to know QURAN but true faith and belief, QURAN says in Sura QUAMAR no less then 4 times , " WE HAVE MADE THIS QURAN EASY TO UNDERSTAND " and remember QURAN was revealed to nomad who did not ven knew to read and write , open your eyse, you and and some so called muslim clerics are selling ISLAM for materialistic gains, if you donr amend the FATA RABBASOO , till ALLAH decide between right and wrong . I will always prefer believing in ALLAH rather then these hypocrite ULEMAS, who is selling QUARAN for materialsitic gains.


sir ofin 5 times a day but mari dua qubal nahi hoti?

reply to ur question regarding duas acceptence

der r three possible ways of getting dua answered/fulfillment
1 here itself ie in present life
2 it will remove or postpones d bad written in ur fate
3 allah will provide something better in hereafterie life after death

so keep patience if ur dua is unaccepted praise allah again because he is goin to giv something better in jannat, a place where every one rejoice

It took a British Fatwa for

It took a British Fatwa for all the Muslim brothers to start discussing about Dr.Zakir Naik.
I wish we discussed Dr.Zakir earlier and not in the light lit by this british fatwa.

What a sad state we muslims live in. Why do we feel upset at not getting 'stamped' at par with whites?

There seems to be no hope for the faithful with self proclaimed custodians of Islam. It is another business for you. Just another profession.

I wish to hear what Sonia Gandhi, Rahul and other important leaders say on this

LOL shame on you guys.

I am not a Muslim I dont hate Muslims as such but look at you guys you guys are all fighting with each others regarding Islam itself , LOL Is islam such confusing religion ??? Wahabi , sunnis, shias and us kafirs we kill each others and Islam wins !!!!

Dr. Zakir Naik did not do ANYTHING like...

"Anonymous" @ 13 July 2010 - 11:22pm. under title: LOL (laugh out loud).......

Sorry "Anonymous Ji" ! At-least Dr. Zakir Naik DID NOT DO anything like Hindu Godmen - Swami Nithyananda, Imposter Sandhvi - Pragya Singh Thakur, and Imposter Sadhu Dayanand Pandey.

Do you want to read some "SIZZLING" news reports ???


Here is a latest one, fresh from oven :


Enjoy reading, and don't try to MUD-SLING. Gobar (cow-dung) may spill on accuser. If you point ONE ACCUSING FINGER at others, THREE FINGERS automatically TURN TOWARDS ACCUSER. That's but NATURAL - you cannot change it.

An Indian

I am proud that at-least Dr. Zakir Naik DID NOT do anything, for Muslims to be ashamed. I believe with SUCH British ACTION, his popularity has grown to NEW HEIGHTS.




It is commonsense living in this century to tell closing your eyes that anyone who is hated by the west is certainly TELLING THE TRUTH.

When a man is restricted to enter into a country for whatever reasons given by that particular country, it is only the duty of the person to show this world with proof that INJUSTICE is done. We have seen throughout history that for anyone who sells truth, he undergoes difficulties and it is the time for Dr. Zakir.

With this ban again, his Words will be heard more and more and the ultimate goal of conveying the message will be done through him even away from his sight. So let us take it as an advantage and sell the truth at low cost.

As for the issue of calling Yazid with PBUH, Shame on anyone who brings that matter here because it is for God to Judge. If only anyone disrespect the companions, it is logical to make it an issue. Lets respect all the prophets/companions/Ahl-baith and put a stop to calling each other a Kafir.

shame on u, who ever u are

Allah has given brains for us, we know he is the sole judge, but we cannot accept something wrong and say god will judge, if somebody gets into your house and insult your parents u will not wait god to judge for sure. shame on you if u support a yazid,

imposing wahabism down my unwilling throat?

This is my question to zakir naik and his suporters. I worship stone idols. Anybody got a problem? You gonna shove islam down my unwilling throat? And given the radicalism of zakir , why shouldnt I hate you?

You are free to do what you like ......

@ Idol Worshipper,

Do not get purterbed by any 'versions' of Islam because to your joy, none of the numerous sects and schools practise the 'splashing down the throat' and this is more true for your bete-noire, Wahhabi Islam. Those who are not Muslims or scholars, would do better if they do not use terminolgies on Islam like the fashion assessories. What you have to do with any of the 'versions' of Islam if you are a sworn Idol Worshipper? At best, one may conclude that you have been made aware of the 'Real' message but due to your 'hautiness' due to own assumed 'achievements' you seem to oppose it. You are a small fry, history is replete with 'powerful' people who did same and are condemned for eternity. However, even idol worshippers are supposed to follow rules. Do not pouulute air and create nuisance when you carry your 'idol gods'. Why your god need publicity is one question you must ask yourself?

There is no compulsion in religion

My Dear friend, I have a reference from the Koran Chapter 2 Verse 256 which says "There is no compulsion in religion...." No one has the right to force their opinion related to religion. I have also heard that God does not like Muslims to talk bad about any object of worship which people who are not Muslims worship. Hence I feel your question is not really valid. If there is any ignorant Muslim has tried forcing Islam on you you could quote the above verse. No harm in reading the Koran to question the ignorant Muslim about Islam and expose his ignorance.

Why do you require Dr.Zakir

Why do you require Dr.Zakir to point out
Idol Worship is prohibited in vedas.
may be you are victim of casteism.

1)One who is believer of god

1)One who is believer of god almighty and in the day of judgment - he can speak good if he want to speak or better remain silent :
2)For a muslim, the life,wealth and the self-respect (abusing) of another muslim is haram (in the last lecture by prophet)
3)all muslims are in brotherhood

the last prophet of god almighty "gift for the mankind" and "the one and only role model for the belivers" as recommended by god

i want to need anymore for

i want to need anymore for islam

Tafrik in Islam

there are lots of firqa (divded) in Islam. But no one thinks about this, acutally i intent that hame kise ke uper iljam lagna se phele uske maksad ko janlena chaiye because Allaha Quran me dusro khuda ko bhi bura kahne se rok raha
plz reply

dr. zakir naik is true

what all dr. zakir naik says is with the reference of quran. dr.zakir naik is a true indian muslim and we all should be proud of him

Dear All, I would like to

Dear All,

I would like to take up the issues raised by Dr. Zaker Naik. We need to know the incorrect facts and misinterpretation of the Koran & islam in a broad sense presented by This Dr. Zaker Naik. I would like to take up one issue at a time.

1) Polygamy

As per the Dr., Islam does not permit polygamy and is the only religion which allows one wife. He sites the Koran from the versus 4:3 “Marry women of your choice, two, or three, or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one” Here he tries to proof that the versus is allowing only one women to marry. Let us study carefully ---

First- Suppose you ask a person how many people were there in the room. The confident answer would be ‘ There were four person’. If the person is not confident he will answer ‘ There were one, two , three or four person’. Or if you ask ‘How many cows can you sell?’ and the answer should be ‘ I can sell four cows’ . Here the question is for the maximum number and so the mid numbers are not to be said. Similary in the Koran, allah is expressing the maximum number of wife a person can marry. It was unnecessary to express the mid numbers. It is very doubtful that there was a corruption of the versus or may be the person who narrated the versus was not confident of the maximum numbers (may be it meant more then four ).

Secondly: The last part of the versus ‘but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one’ . One must understand that the decision to justify whether a person should have one or many wife lies with the person itself. The person is just a human being and it is obvious that he will be tempted by beauty & sex. Allah knowing the weakness of human mind has allowed it to take the decision. This is the reason why in spite of the claim by Dr Naik, Islam has the highest rate and tendency of polygamy even in modern times. Also there is a mathematical problem. If a person can do justice to 2 wives and the 3rd one would create a problem, then what ? Should he stick to 2 wives or one wife .Going by the versus , he can have 2 wives since he can do justice --- now is this not polygamy?. Also, the Koran is not clear of the ‘Justice’ based on which the decision of 1 or 4 wives will be taken. Is it from the economic point of view , romance , or sex. A rich and a strong man can take care of all aspects. So, a person with capabilities can practice polygamy.

Thirdly: The most important. Although Koran has limited the wives number to 4 but actually it is limitless. Before that, we need to understand that divorce is allowed in Islam. For example, let us take a person X ( who can justly treat all). He starts with 4 wives, he divorces 1 wife periodically on one pretext or the other and then marries another to fill up the number 4. If this goes on till the end of this life then how many wives he had --- LIMITLESS.

Fourthly: Practice differ from the books. Although Koran limits the number of wives to 4 ( at a time), but Muhammad himself had more than 4 wives. In fact he had a long list of women with whom he had physical relationship. He also took special permission from allah to have anybody and any number of wife as per his likes(surah 33:50) without compensation & consent. The such practice is also there with other religious group. But, in this case the Prophet or the founder himself has broken the rule to satisfy his own lust.

Dr. Nayek also tries to justify his claim by referring to Female life span, male-female ratio, War time widows etc. But, these thing or excuses cannot form a part of religion or morality . One should remember that the words of a holy book is for mankind of all times. The above figures & ratios might change in future but the fundamentals of morality will never change. Islam , in pretext of above reasons have allow man to indulge in lust. Allah as god should know that thing like female life span, male-female ratio, war time widows are not permanent. He had compromised with morality based on circumstances of a certain period of time.

Search TCN for all christian

Search TCN for all christian missionary methods
to lure people in accepting christianity. This is TCN.Try your
luck in LasVegas.May be they will give you job of Bar dancer.

Circumcision:- As per Dr.


As per Dr. Nayek , muslim circumcise since it is a sunnah . Secondly it is hygienic & give medical benefits.

Now, Dr. Nayek fails to give a straight forward reply – whether it is compulsory to circumcise in Islam. Let us assume - he meant that circumcision is compulsory in Islam. Before we proceed, let us keep in mind that ‘Islam Scripture are the true and only word of GOD’, rest are bullshit – As per the Islamic claim. In that case our expectation from Koran & hadith grows in leaps & bound.
As we look into the details of the Islamic Scripture we find that there is nothing mentioned in the Koran regarding circumcision (Khitan). It is mention in the hadith as a good practice. When we say ‘practice’ we are left with two option 1) because of hygiene & medical benefits 2) ritualistic.

1) The muslims argue on the grounds of hygiene, as if Allah’s main intention was hygienic benefits of his followers for introducing this practice. If ‘Allah’ is a GOD, his guidance for hygiene should have been much more than just Clipping & shaving pubic hairs, cutting nails, circumcision, shaving of armpit hairs etc. The subject of hygiene is quite vast and it changes from time to time. Allah seems to have forgotten to include the requirement of the future – like hand sanitizer, anti-bacterial soap, Anti hair lice shampoo, anti-dandruff and lot many. Surprisingly the hygiene of Islamic scripture is contemporary to that of the period 1400 yrs ago. So, are the Islamic Scripture really the word of GOD or a creation of human mind – having no knowledge of the future? Next, muslim say that circumcision prevents AIDS. We all know that circumcision might give some minute degree of defense against AIDS, but is not the ultimate solution. Allah as a god should have advised for condoms also. We also know that multiple sex partners create more chances of having AIDS and other STD disease. Here ‘Allah’ had made a mistake from the hygiene point of view- Allowing 4 wives with the advantage of divorce and remarriage makes a person more susceptible to AIDS or STD. You never know whether your husband or wife is carrying AIDS/STD from his/her previous marriage. Did ‘Allah’ advised for HIV test before marriage ? What explanation will the muslims give if there is vacation for HIV in near future ? Again, Are Islamic scripture are just the product of human mind? Next , we have the ‘medical benefit’ – prevention of penis cancer. It is strange that Allah’s ( The Only GOD ) knowledge was limited to only cock-cancer. What about other cancers which are more serious, deadly and widespread. What explanation will muslim give if there is a easy cure for cancer tomorrow.

2) The 2nd option more historical in nature. First let us ask the following - When was Muhammad circumcised ? Was he circumcised before he had the revelation? If he was circumcised before he had the revelation then was it Islamic or some other religious practice? Did Muhammad circumcise his sons? If yes, why did he circumcise his sons without any direction given in the Koran ? Circumcision was practiced by the Jews even before the muslims and even by the Egyptian before that. The Jews circumcise and reason for doing that is clearly mentioned in their scriptures. Surprisingly the muslims circumcise with no clear moral or spiritual reasoning in their Koran. As questions come from various directions, the muslims try to defend themselves by holding on to things like AIDS, STD , Cancer etc which does not have any spiritual or moral significance. This practice is totally ritualistic in nature.

From the above we can conclude that the practice of circumcision was borrowed from the Jews or may be the remains of a pagan past – in other words, Islam is just a cut-copy –paste religion. The religious scripture should only deal with moral & spiritual issues. Those Scriptures which lacks moral and spiritual authenticity and richness often tends to venture into other areas like hygiene, science, astronomy etc. Although they try to include these subjects, but due to lack of relevance and totality they finally fall flat on their face. These scripture are the product of human mind and not inspired by GOD. These scripture are composed by scavenging and copying from other religions and their scripture and inclusion of non-moral/spiritual subject to lure followers. This is the problem with Islam and its Scriptures.

If a man is allowed to have

If a man is allowed to have more than one wife, then why does Islam prohibit a woman from having more than one husband?

Dr. Nayek had answered this question is a very cunning way. By picking up some absurd reason from the garbage he had tried to divert the minds of the muslims from the fundamental problem of Islam i.e. inclination towards male supremacy, fear of women emancipation, and women slavery. He had picked up reasons like – Childs identity in case of polyandry, Biological problems in women, STD. We would take up all these issues one by one. He had also pointed out chapter 4 of Koran to support his argument. In that case we need to look at chapter-4 and other women related references from both practical & moral point of view. Also we need to look at the society during the time when the Koran was composed. Let us first clear the garbage….

1) Dr. Nayek says that the child without the identity of a father has psychological problem. But statistic and studies says just the opposite. Child without mother is the most pathetic child in the world. The most important thing for a child from its birth to its adulthood is the love, care and support of its mother. Just ask yourself – “What if I never had my mother in my life?”. Child without mother has always turned out to be problematic child. The Dr. argues that the prostitute’s child has an unhealthy childhood. This is not because of the lack of father’s identity rather it is because of the attitude of the society towards a prostitute. The Dr. says that it always the father’s identity which is sought for in school & colleges. This system has changed long time ago and do not have any relevance. This point seems to be a very stupid approach from the moral & spiritual point of view. Are we talking about NGO’s or religion?

2) The Dr. says that men are more polygamous by nature. The understanding from the moral point of view is that, since man is more polygamous ( sexually active/lustful) he has been given additional opportunity to indulge in sex by means of more legitimate mates and slaves. Just look at the wretched state of Islamic morality. Here Sex/lust takes the centre stage of a Faith. Man is allowed to nurture and grow the beast within himself. What morality can you accept from such a man, his Faith and his God. If you cannot kill the darkness within yourself what Light will you give to others. Now the scientific side – In free societies like the west , it has been observed that women have equal inclination towards multiple mates like their male counterparts. Infact , it has also been observed that women are more daring and eager to express and meet their sexual desire. This nature of women is not seen in the east due to the restrictions imposed on the women folks. The Dr.’s statement seems to influenced by some medieval patricentric Faith. I think he needs to change his own attitude towards women before making any public statement.

3) Dr. argues that a man is able to perform his duties with multiple wives and not women with multiple husbands. The Dr. did not clarify regarding the word ‘duties’. Is it Sexual, Domestic work or Professional. If it is sexual, a women can have sex with multiple men in one go but a man needs a gap before he goes for the next ejaculation. In case of domestic works, it is done during daytime and does not coincide with sex time. If it’s professional, people don’t mate at workplaces. The Dr. says that a woman undergoes various changes during her periods. He made the statement is such a way as if a woman is transformed into jelly fish and back to woman during her period. Her periods would not hamper her married life ( with husbands) , she would only have to abstain from sex during her periods. So practically this point is invalid.

4) Dr. states that women have risk of acquiring STD with multiple partners and spreading to rest of the mates. This stupidity was not expected from a doctor. The same risk also rest with a man with multiple partner. He might acquire STD from one of the wives and spread it to the rest of the wives. The question of STD does not come if the group (1 female + multiple Male / 1 male + Multiple Female) remains faithful within the members.

The above points are OK from a non-religious point of view but, it is disgusting from the moral & spiritual angle. Rather if we peep into the historical facts we would know the reason for the Islamic Polygamy and negative attitude towards women. Polygamy was already prevalent with the pagan worshipper of the pre-islamic period. The people were not ready to give up the practice. Muhammad was in a dilemma, whether to stop the practice and lose follower or allow the practice and compromise with basic morality. The first would hamper his ambitious plan and so he opted for the later. Also, followers of Muhammad carried out extensive raids on innocent caravans and jews & Christian settlements. In those raids plenty of women were capture. Muhammad could not stop the temptation of his followers to ravish those helpless women. He had to allow this and to avoid any feeling of guilt he got it sanctioned from Allah through the Koran. Infact, it is specifically allowed in Koran to have sex with a slave girl even without her consent. Muhammad own disturbing childhood had contributed a lot for his hatred towards women and this is reflected in overall secondary position of women in islam.

There are lot of issues relating to women in Koran and hadith. Let me take one such – “If you want to divorce a woman so that you can marry another, do not take back the dowry which you had paid even if what you paid was a large amount of gold. To do this is a slanderous act and a manifest sin (4:20)”. The verse seems to do justice to a woman by her rights to keep the dowry. Let us look at it from another angle. 1) Man has the right to change wife but not a woman. 2) Even if she is paid, a wife might not accept a divorce for self-respect and dignity – but here she doesn’t have a choice 3) Women is treated as a commodity that has only monetary and reproductive value – but no sentiments, self-respect, dignity . 4) Nothing is expressed regarding the moral & spiritual implication of changing a wife. The verse seems to be like a judgment of a Male dominated family Court rather than the Word of God.

Debate publicly in mumbai or

Debate publicly in mumbai or anywhere on planet,even primary school muslim student will handover humiliating defeat.
tum to zakir k pairon ki dhool bhi nahi ho!

Then send these passages to

Then send these passages to Dr. Zakir Nayek or anybody else and try to get a logical reply. It is very easy to debate on the stage with some false and cooked up statement. Just try the same thing on a web site like this. Till now Dr. Zakir Nayek has not answered to any of the questions and arguments raised by the non-muslim scholars for fear of getting exposed. You people satisfy yourself by just accepting what Dr. nayek says on face value. You all never try to verify the validity of his statement by your own consciences and knowledge. It seems your faith makes you blind & dumb. Just try to refute any of the points raised in the passages with a logical approach - if your are following your faith with full knowledge and in full senses. I think it is your defeat , fear & humiliating which has prompted you to make such blunt & disgusting statement. Yes, I would not like to be a 'pairon ki dhool' of a crook and a worshipper of a false prophet.

If you are so concerned then

If you are so concerned then why don't you sent the messages yourself and get the answers. Zakir Naik has never feared anyone. Many scholars have denied to debate with him in fear of getting exposed. It is not easy to even stand on the stage in front of a huge crowd. It is easy to comment on website forums. If you have guts then attend the weekly question answer sessions in IRF Mumbai and you will come to know the truth.

Not only me , many people has

Not only me , many people has has given fitting reply to the Dr. but there is no reply. Infact you should have proper knowledge and understanding of the facts before supporting the Dr. I expected you to give some logical reply to the passage - if you are a knowledgable muslim. But, it seems you are another dumb muslim and so there is no point arguing with you. People like Salman Rushdie & Taslima begum had tried to show their guts but see what happened. Guts can be shown to civilised people but not to a bunch of man-eaters.

You are getting crazy!!!!

I understand what happened to you.You are astonished by the logical persentation of Quraan, the final revelation from Allah. But yours is not so. What you are doing is only scratching the surface of Islam. If your sensories are not sealed as Allah said in the Quraan, you will definitely find the truth. Or else we Muslims are helpless.Are you jew or Christian or Brahmin? Normally they mention Quraan as KORAN? No problem whoever you are. "Seek the truth that shall set you free".Remember Islam is the solution for humanity.

We can create multiple negative meaning for each verses of Quraan as you do. For example, Quraan encourages Zakat(tax) and Zadaka(charity) to help the needy.People like you may claim that Quraan encourages creating poor/needy people so that rich can pay tax and zadaka. That is what you are exactly doing. You are deliberately not consuming the great ideas in each verses. Instead you just take them in negative sense.If you go on this way, Wallah your future will be dire!!!

There is nothing to be

There is nothing to be astonished regarding your koran - unless you are muslim. You have given your comments without reading the above passage. The passage is an answer to Dr. Zakir Nayek's statements which are cooked up and falsely presented. If you are so thorough about Islamic Ideology then just try to refute any of the aspects of the above passage. The problem with muslims like you is that you all are in deep love with that Dr. Nayek but 'Why', you do not know. You have mention 'truth' about koran. Give the 'truth' as per your underdstanding and then I will give you the answer. In fact , your knowledge about your own religion is limited to the surface and you are happy about it. You need to go deep into the mean of every verse of koran ( with a secular & logical approach) and historical facts.

We will take up the issue of zakat later on. There are other serious issues like Violence, fatwa, Zihad, the pagan past of islam etc which would be taken up next.

With a Secular & Logical approach

Secular in What sense? Noramally hypocrites are using this word to justify their actions which don't match the commandments of Allah. Can you show me a 100% secular personality lived or living in this world? I am a human being created by Allah for a great purpose called"Ibadah".

I have gone through the passage from top to bottom but none of them seem to have a logical stand to be taken up.Why should I waste my time? I think your brain is not functioning well. Because even an average IQ holder can understand the intention of each verses of Quraan ie, peaceful existence of mankind.Oneness of Allah is so important to establish a perfect peaceful society. If you don't believe in Allah, you may become either racist or ultra-nationalist or casteist or male chauvanist or tyrrant or something else.

Only oneness of Allah leads us to the universal brotherhood.


'Secular=Hypocrisy' that is

'Secular=Hypocrisy' that is from your own dictionary, or may be from your Islamic Dictionary – where tolerance and secular ideas are murdered in cold blood. Regarding the validity of these passages, let us leave it to the individual readers. These passages are posted simultaneously in 100s of other sites and so there are plenty of readers to decide whether they (passages) speak logic or nonsense.

For you, If the passages do not have logic then you should not have wasted one alphabet for this. The pain you have taken for writing against these illogical passages shows that your brains have got shaken by these passages.

Your ‘oneness’ stands on blood of innocent non-believers. I think that makes you all very proud.



Truth prevails when suppressed

Prophet MD(saw) said to Hurairah r.a that whatever he was saying only write those and whatever he was instructing only do those and if you go away a little far you are misguided(i.e. ek suta bhi nabi(saw) ki baton se haten to gumrah ho jayengen). I, therefore, suggest my brothers to kindly read Quran and hadith and follow Islam accordingly. Because at the day of judjment Allah taaala wil not ask which Imam you followed but will inquire whether he hadn't given you brain(samjh boojh).
What contribution can I do but to pray for all umat-e-muslima so they can be guided